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Engineering with an Attitude

Interview with David del Porto


by Andreas Schoenborn, Editor of the EcoEng Newsletter

David del Porto (59), the founder and principal designer of Sustainable Strategies (Concord, Massachusetts) has been active in the field of ecological engineering for 27 years. He started his professional career as a stock broker in the late 60s, but soon got more interested in ecological issues. In the early 70s, he quit his job as a stock broker and started writing about and trading with water conservation technology. His business has been growing ever since. Today, Sustainable Strategies hires 6 full time engineers and staff. One of their specialties are ecologically engineered wastewater gardens.

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A. Schoenborn
David, what is in your eyes the essence of Ecological Engineering?
David del Porto
I think the way to analyze the two words independently. We aren't looking at the study of Ecology. We are actually looking at a practice of engineering using ecology as a paradigm (for) solving problems that are presented to us. That's very different from an academic approach.

Usually (our clients have) an economic problem resulting from the need to comply with increasingly tightening environmental pollution regulations. They are looking for a solution and are willing to pay for it. What we do with our engineering is: we do the engineering with an "attitude".

In the case of wastewater we believe, that it is an effluent with characteristics and constituents, but its not waste - until it's wasted. We take the utilization approach. We ask: What are the characteristics and constituents of this effluent? What must we do to pretreat them so they can be used by living components and specifically in our case the microorganisms of the soil leading to the uptake of the nutrients and the water by plants.

We (also) go to the beginning. We look at the water use within the household or the building and we attempt to solve the problems (…) where they begin. That envolves first understanding the technology of water conservation and from there, how effluent is created within the home or building. We divide the flows and pretreat or filter them at their sources and then utilize them in planted "wastewater gardens", in and (out) of the building.

AS
Could you name a concrete example you're working on?
David del Porto
A client came to us who had a property he wanted to sell. It had 8 acres (= 3.2 hectares) of land and a very nice home on it, situated in Montague, in the middle of Massachusetts. The engineer who had been working on the project prior to our involvement was told by the local authority that, because the hydraulic gradient of the soil connected fairly direct with the well field of a neighbouring town, the house would have to be destroyed and the client could sell the land only, but no homes could be built on it any more. (...)

We designed a zero discharge system for this home which involved the addition of a greenhouse on the south side of the building. We separated the effluent into black and grey water. We sent the black water - the toilet matter - to a batch composting system. We filtered the grey water first in the kitchen with a grease and particle filter at the washing machine with a 30 micron (= µm) filter for the particles that are non-biodegradable and buoyancy-neutral. We drained that greywater into a sand and gravel planted bed (in a greenhouse) and connected it to a 2000 gallon (=7.57 m3) concrete tank for overflows and for recycle.

The objective (was) then, to plant in this greenhouse phreatophytes - very thirsty plants - and some halophytes that are able to take up sodium. The plants would be able to utilize all of the greywater, as the system matured, and so the tank would have not to be pumped at a cost to the client .

Both local and state regulation authorities approved this plan. My client was able to sell the property with the house and the new buyers are very pleased to have a tropical greenhouse associated with the house that they purchased. They see it as a quality of life improvement at a lower cost of living, because they are getting all of the wonderful benefits of a tropical greenhouse in a cold climate, and they don't have to have the associated cost of the wastewater disposal. That's where the "eco"nomics comes in.

(...) My clients are now seeing this as not only a way of simply solving a problem. The benefit of being associated with living plants on a day- to-day basis affords an added quality of life that is very difficult for most people to understand until they have done that themselves. (..) This environment provides a quality of life at a very low cost of living. And I think, that is going to be the long term success of ecological engineering.

AS
To me, this seems to be a fairly special situation. In Central Europe, where you usually have existing sewer networks, you will probably just send the wastewater to the next sewer...
David del Porto
(...) My clients range from government to property owners, and almost all of them had some problem economically with either water supply or wastewater. Our market is people and projects that are under some economic distress. That happens to be the market.

I mean, there are some clients that see this as the right way to go. (For example) we have a new client, a private school that is building a new campus for 150 students and 50 staff on a 70 acres (= 28.3 hectares) campus. They are going to be living on that campus. They are asking us to engineer the systems ecologically with the attached greenhouses from the beginning because of the learning experience. Living that way works for them as a teaching experience. But it also lowers the long term operating expenses, that's the key.

AS
Is this how you measure the success, by costs?
David del Porto
From our clients point of view it is measured by costs. From an environmental and public health protection point of view, it has to succeed. The mandate is to provide the protection of the public and environmental health. That's the first rule. The second then is to do it in a cost effective way and using natural and ecological systems. Those costs are lower over the long term than the traditional ways of solving the problem, because they can be integrated so nicely within what one expects on a landscape or home or a building. (...)
AS
I find this really amazing, again from the European perspective. How can you compete with the existing infrastructure?
David del Porto
Bringing in a central sewer line, even if they have the existing treatment plant, but they have to increase its capacity and connect the sewer line to a new community in the suburbs (is very costly). The costs of that new treatment and the new distribution would make ecologically engineered and decentral or on-site systems more cost effective.

And now comes the question. This is very important, both for ecological and for on-site systems: What most people and the users want is what I call "sewer equivalency". They want to have the wastewater treatment system financed engineered, constructed, operated and maintained by a public authority, but they want the least cost for them.

Today in North America, the centralized treatment plants and collection systems are financed, operated and maintained by the public. (The people) pay user fees often within their taxes, but lately tied to their water bill. If we provide sewer equivalency for property owners who are not on the sewer, that is less costly to both operate, construct and maintain. If the property owners get sewer equivalency, then I think that people will be more willing to accept that.

AS
Does "sewer equivalency" mean that someone from the public authority comes out to your site to maintain the system?
David del Porto
Yes... it's financed, constructed, installed and maintained by the municipality so that the homeowners simply treat it like just another municipal service. (..)
AS
How well is ecological engineering established as a discipline, as a way of engineering in the US?
David del Porto
Increasingly so, I think, but the term is unfamiliar to people. In North America, there are environmental engineers, who are solving pollution or solid waste problems, (...) and there are civil engineers who are designing roads and waste treatment systems on-site. The ecological engineering community is different because it is multi-disciplined. It has civil engineers, environmental engineers, but it also has plumbing engineers, it has botanists, the people who are more broadly based and they come together as a team to solve problems for clients. (...)

The people who work for me, for example, have a very diverse background. Some of them are landscape architects. My younger engineers are coming out of school in mechanical engineering, one was actually trained as an aeronautical engineer (...) There isn't yet a school that is producing ecological engineers, the broad based multidisciplined approach.... but it's coming. There are now courses at universities in ecological engineering, and there are individual institutions who are learning more about these types of things (...).

Increasingly the engineering community is realizing that you can get better results for your clients if you use biological and indeed phytological solutions, rather than mechanical, chemical solutions and so the field here in North America is growing.

What's really important is, that ecological engineering today, the way I described it, is a practice that people can make a living at. It's not a theoretical academic pursuit. (..) This is a field where you can join a firm and practice ecological engineering because this type of engineering makes money. We have clients that are paying lots of money to solve their problems. We have a firm and we enjoy a good living, good income, and life is good. I managed to get my 5 children through school, private university, so I think it beats to the fact that this is the right field at the right time.

AS
How does ecological engineerin compare with more "conventional" approaches. Don't they also try to mimick and reproduce microbiological processes for their purposes?
David del Porto
Yes, I believe that exactly, but invariably they don't include some of the most important aspects,
AS
...such as.
David del Porto
They don't complete the cycle. I don't think the solution is complete until those nutrients are taken up by green plants. And therein lies the amazing economics, that's what I think is going to be the main driver. (...) For example we've been using bamboo extensively in our project, because bamboo is a very hardy, thirsty, hungry-for-nutrients plant. We've been using that as a way to take up and utilize wastewater in outdoor gardens or in closed and sheltered gardens. I have been proposing to some of the (big) hog or pig farmers that they grow bamboo forest. (...) The nutrients that are generated by their pigs can produce a higher return per pound of pig meat by the stale of the bamboo, rather than by the sale of the pig meat.
AS
Is bamboo such a high priced product?
David del Porto
Yes, (..) the fiber market is very much a high priced market today. The people that are making engineered lumber out of wood are complaining that the second and third growth wood is too weak, that the competitive cost for fuel and for paper makes it uneconomical, and they are looking for a new fiber source.

Bamboo (..) can produce those fibers faster than any of the trees. It is stronger in some of its characteristics than steel or concrete. Also there is a growing demand in North America for bamboo flooring, because it's very beautiful. (..) The cost to import bamboo from China or Jaopan or South America makes bamboo desirable but uneconomical.

However, if you grow the bamboo locally, close coupled with the pig farms that produce the nutrients, you solve the problem of the pig farmer in terms of pollution avoided, and you provide a marketable crop for him to sell. The economics will be the driver of the future, because ecological engineering completes the cycle. It's not simply using natural systems (..) but total utilization as in an ecosystem, because in an ecosystem by definition there is no waste. Everything is used.

AS
How do you deal with accumulation effects in ecosystems? For example: composts in areas where you have a lot of heavy metals in the soil can accumulate heavy metals.
David del Porto
That's exactly so, but there is a new group of people who are using plants as hyperaccumulators of heavy metals - this is called phytoremediation. (...) We have to understand what plants to use under what circumstances, and how to sequence them, to manage some of the problems that we have created.

What I think that I'm finding is, that when someone has an ecologically engineered system, say, a "garden", if I use that as a metaphor, it changes the way people think. Using the garden metaphor, (makes) people see it as something valuable (...). Probably we only create gardens of things that we see as valuable (...). When they have these ecologically engineered wastewater gardens, they are asking the question : What should I put in my water that's good for my garden? So attitude changes occur (..) along with a technological shift..

AS
Is this an automatic attitude shift or does it sometimes not occur?
David del Porto
I think so far it is automatic, because the beauty of a garden and the value of a garden is one that creates the lever to motivate people to take care of it. (...) One has to find that motivator and I submit that ecological engineering provides those motivators.
AS
What would you propose as motivator for a densely populated urban setting with an existing sewer network already in place?
David del Porto
In our case I was successful in my state of Massachusetts in getting the costs of wastewater treatment added to the price that people pay for their water. So, for every gallon of water you buy, approximately 25% of the costs is actually for the collection and treatment and delivery of water, and 75% for the cost of collecting, treating and disposing wastewater.
AS
May l ask how much water costs in Massacusetts?
David del Porto
Our city, Newton Massachusetts - a suburb of Boston - purchases both water and wastewater treatment and ocean-outfall disposal from a non profit authority serving approximately 50 cities and towns. The rates are "ascending block", which means that the more you use, the more you pay. This is to encourage water conservation. (for details on water prices see bottom of page, AS )

Today people are hiring us to design wastewater gardens in the city because the cost of just the water is so high. (..) Because we have combined wastewater treatment with water supply costs, water is now an economic commodity like gasoline. It is not as expensive, but getting there. People are complaining, and the first thing that they do is when they complain, is that they want to use less.

AS
Thank you very much for this interview, David.
 
 
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For the interested reader: Water prices in Newton, Mass., USA
UNITS HCF WATER SEWAGE TOTAL
HCF=hexa cubic feet
Price per unit
1-20
$1.85
$3.90
$5.70
21-70
$2.22
$4.68
$6.90
more than 71
$2.66
$5.63
$8.29
Source: David del Porto

How do these numbers compare to metric units?

One hexa cubic foot (= 1 HCF) equals 2.8 m3. Thus, the price of $5.70 for 1 HCF equals 2 $ per m3. In Newton, the users pay this price for the first 20 HCF (= 56.7 m3). For the next 50 HCF ( = 140 m3) they pay $6.90 per HCF (= 2.43 $ per m3), increasing even more if you use more. These prices are more or less in the range of what we pay in Central Europe (e.g. Switzerland, Germany) for water and wastewater.

However, David del Porto told me that where no sewer and treatment plant is available the costs to pump a sewage holding tank is now averaging $0.15 per gallon (= 39.6$ per m3) and in land over sole-source drinking water aquifer, the cost to pump a holding tank with washwater from a vehicle maintenance facility such as a garage or a carwash is $1.50 per gallon (= 396$ per m3)!

The effort which is necessary to transfer the US units into metric units highlights one of the problems we have in international communication. Another is the question how the Newton water works can be compared to water works in other countries in terms of organizational structure, fee structure, financing structure or even accounting practices.

Andreas Schoenborn

 
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